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SATSANG 1. JEAN LUC AYOUN. SPAIN (CASA DE VIDA SHANTINILAYA). SUNDAY 2 AUGUST 2020
Hello to all.
So, we are going to approach this last satsang by really getting into the concrete for those who are not yet living it, the concrete of everyday behavior, in the events of everyday life, very simple, which will allow you precisely through certain ways of proceeding in your behavior, which will unmask, if I may say so, what you are.
Of course, it is not a technique, it is not a practice, but it is simply the way of behaving in everyday life, I specify, in order to allow you to identify, to see already, to see then to identify the elements that prevent you in your behavior to perceive and live the Truth.
There are a certain number of rules, I will let you question afterwards. In every event of your life, whatever it is, whether it is in a relationship with anyone, with an object, there is what is called personal emotional intelligence, and another form of emotional intelligence which is called social or relational emotional intelligence. The most important is this personal emotional intelligence that will allow you to understand yourself, to observe yourself and to cross all layers of illusions with ease in the daily acts of life.
So I give it to you. The first one, Do Not React. In emotional intelligence, it is all the work of Mr. Goleman, an American, that I have managed to introduce into neuroscientific systems of measurement, which allow, with electrodes on the human body, to draw up a complete cartography of the functioning of the individual. One of these reading grids of my measurement system concerns precisely emotional intelligence.
Emotional intelligence is the intelligence of the relationship, don't just see emotions, as we say, but it's everything that will deal with the way we perceive the other, the situations and ourselves.
So there is, independently of this personal and social emotional intelligence, there are what we call emotional fundamentals. So of course, I'm not going to deploy the whole neuroscience system to you, you're not here for that. In the emotional fundamentals are a number of things. One, the first one is the ability, as I just said, not to react. When something happens to you, whatever it is, you're going to be angry, you're going to be sad. You can't refuse an emotion, it is what it is. The fact of wanting to understand it or to find its causality takes you away from the Present Instant.
Gurdjieff at the time said: "When you have an emotion, you cannot refuse it, you cannot oppose it", but there is one thing you can all do, and that is to decide mentally, intellectually, to say to yourselves: The emotion is there, I am postponing it until tomorrow.
What happens when you postpone, you don't suppress it, you don't oppose it, but you postpone it in time, twenty-four hours for example. You don't block the emotions but you postpone their manifestation. The brain totally accepts this. For example, you have an anger against someone, one might even say totally justified. Well, postpone that emotion to the next day. What do you notice the next day? There is no emotion. It's as simple as that. It works for anger.
In fact, you have four primary emotions in the human being that induce every movement of energy and behaviour. Sadness takes you to the past, joy and pleasure takes you to the future, anger - everybody knows it's an upward movement - it aligns you in the present but not in the Instant. It has to be metabolized, hence the interest of what I am telling you in relation to the postponement of your emotion.
You are sad, there is no question of saying no, I am not sad. It's a question of being lucid. You perceive, you feel, a sadness, this sadness, it affects you. If you decide not to give way to this sadness, simply by saying to yourself intellectually, I will manifest this tomorrow, the next day you will see that there is no more emotion. There is no more sadness.
It is exactly the same for the fourth primary emotion, which is called fear. Fear is the opposite of anger, it brings you down. It brings everything down, your consciousness to the depths, and there you will also hang memories, first emotions you experienced as a small child. And at that moment, you set in motion elements of suffering that come from your learning, from your past.
For these four primary emotions and the whole range of emotions, all you have to do is decide to shift your reaction in time and you will no longer be in reaction, but in what is called pro-action. And it happens very naturally.
So I'll pass you the neuroscientific explanations with the mediators, that's not the point here, but it's been proven perfectly well with brain imaging. It corresponds to specific areas of the brain that are activated. These are the nuclei of what is called the reptilian brain, which intervene precisely in the emotions. Emotions do not originate in the so-called emotional brain, but in the archaic or reptilian brain.
I don't give the names, well, you should know that this is simply what we call the striated nuclei of the pallidum, for those who are interested in anatomy and especially what is called the amygdala, not the amygdala of the throat but the amygdala of the brain. Everything works in the human being, absolutely everything, by the notion of good and evil and there is nothing we can do about it. In neuroscience, there are two circuits that come from the central nucleus that I just talked about, the thalamus, which sends a neuron on either side into the prefrontal cortex, where you had, you remember, the Star Good and Star Evil.
What I'm telling you here is used in neuro-marketing all over the world. The reward circuit is the Star Good. The punishment circuit is the Star Evil, Attraction/Repulsion if you will. Now, all our behaviors are linked to the behavioral injunction of these two circuits of reward and punishment, knowing that in every human being, the punishment circuit is always stronger than the reward circuit. This means that we are permanently, without our consciousness being aware of it, subject to these behavioral injunctions where always the punitive circuit will be stronger than the reward circuit.
And there is nothing you can do about it, self-judgment. So indeed, when you are told not to judge, even if you agree not to judge, the judgment is self-judging.
The prefrontal cortex is where the most advanced cognition is located and which will dictate all your behaviors. Work done in neuroscience has shown that only people who had near-death experiences, who were followers of a religion or religious order, when they experienced some kind of transcendence, real, at that time, the reward circuit became stronger than the punishment circuit.
These are all the injunctions we received from our parents: "don't do this, don't do that", the education as they say, which will condition you to be subjected to this punishment and to be permanently, whether you want it or not, in the self-judgment and in the judgment of the other, action/reaction.
So either you open yourself up, you have a near-death experience, or you've been a meditator for a very, very, very long time, and in those cases the reward circuit will be superior to the punishment circuit. Only then will you come out of the infernal triad: executioner/victim/rescuer. It is inscribed in our brain, in the unconscious. You can't change anything by acting on it.
What I was telling you yesterday, all psychologies, whatever they are, whatever their names, you will reinforce the conditioning by wanting to oppose it. It's systematic. And you can't use positivism or positive thinking or the law of attraction to change that. That's a scam. You can only be lucid.
Lucidity, which I've been talking about for several days now, authenticity, is going to require not an introspection of memory but an observation of the present. I will give you an example. Today, in neuro-marketing, you can trigger a purchase decision in a client without any rational argument. I have told you that these circuits of reward and punishment are usually formed between three and seven years, when the feeling of being an individual appears. Both the punishment and the reward circuit is related to everything you have experienced in the ages I have just given, when you will identify emotional and memory states.
Now the circuit of punishment, as I told you, and of reward, are linked to what you experienced in childhood, they are memories. It is used, but in a constant way in neuro-marketing, knowing that this reptilian brain has engrammed smells and images, and especially the smells, the olfaction, which correspond to the reptilian brain. If you want to sell a car, you'd better put good smells in it.
So what are the good smells that will remind us of childhood? It's very simple, for everyone: the smell of a snack, chocolate cake, gingerbread, the smell of clean linen, the linen you dry in nature that generates a smell. If you put these smells in a car, even in men who are "very" in technique, power, equipment, you're screwed! But for that, you have to get into the car and you will notice easily.
We are all subjected to this cognitive slavery. It is olfactory, visual and gustatory, the other senses also but less so. The touch, the softness of the touch and when you get into the car you want to buy or other cars, especially in German brands and luxury "premium" brands, are always smelled. Because, when you have this smell that manifests itself, from your childhood, you activate the reward circuit and you buy the product.
It also works with, I told you, with taste. We worked with the greatest taste specialist who was at the University of Lausanne, who was paid by Danone. We had to find taste in a simple yogurt that would stimulate your reward circuit. So we're going to play on the texture, the smoothness, the smells that we call freshness, like linen. By the way, it's called palatability agents, if you have an animal, dog or cat, they are able to make an animal addicted to a flavor only by taste and smell.
In other words, you would give a cat or dog something horrible to eat in terms of composition, but if there is the smell and the taste that reminds you of childhood, you will eat it or eat it. It's exactly the same with humans and animals, we are mammals.
Third thing, I told you, smell, taste, the third thing, vision. You may not know but there are color codes that induce a buying impulse. If you put in your article on the internet that you are presenting or in an ad, a very particular green, you will stimulate areas of the brain and you cannot escape it. What you see, even if you don't believe it, it penetrates. The use of these techniques has been forbidden by law because obviously you're going to distort, you're going to manipulate the person's free choice, but everybody uses it.
I invite you to look, to leaf through books on the internet about neuro-marketing and all your life, you're going to believe that you're going to decide, you don't decide anything. For example, you fall in love, not because it's physically pretty, man or woman, there is a real sexual or love attraction, which is only related to pheromones, sex hormones, skin odors, without your knowledge of your own free will. Hence the expression "I've got you under my skin".
I draw your attention to all the decisions we make, objective, I divorce, I marry, are never related to anything else than the reminiscence of smells and taste in priority. Remember, as we are all subjected before being free to the circuit of punishment, we will almost systematically choose what punishes us.
To buy an object, it's different, a car, a yoghurt. If in the object that you buy, that you consume, there is a pleasant childhood smell or a vision, - it is even more subtle -, of a shape and a color, you will buy. The color, you will look at, it's no secret, it's published everywhere, green, a very particular green which is just before apple green, which is conveniently in the middle of the color spectrum, makes you buy. Because you're going to systematically try to make a point, of course, of the reward circuit.
So, I told you that the punishment circuit is always preponderant, stronger than the reward circuit. So, we are permanently subjected to it, and we believe that it is us, our will, our conscience. You have no power over it. This is all that is used today, already for twenty years, on what is called predictive programming. You watch a movie, it seems like entertainment to you, but it's only programming that is recorded by the unconscious, by the memories of learning. So I can explain it to you, but it won't change anything.
So, either you have a near-death experience or you experience a mystical state and then the punishment circuit becomes weaker than the reward circuit. Why do people, brothers, sisters, people, who are free, have this Joy that I was talking about, this Peace? It is a total extinction of the circuit of punishment. Everything is reward. That's how it works with Tibetan monks as well as mystics. It's proven what I'm telling you, pure and hard.
And when I tell you not to react, to put off the emotion that comes out until tomorrow, you leave the punishment circuit, you leave the action/reaction, and you go into the pro-action. And this is where one of the emotional fundamentals that I have already discussed with you will manifest itself, which is called "flow", the French name for maximum neurobiological efficiency, flow in English, fluidity. I have taken the example of athletes, remember, because they spot it very easily.
When you have lived an experience, even if it is not complete, mystical, you are always proactive. When you are proactive, you cut off all reactions. It's not your will that will cut it off, it's the first criterion I've been talking to you about from the beginning which is not reacting but not opposing, but mentally deciding to shift your reaction and you'll see that there is no more reaction, that's how it works for everything, the goal being not to give free rein to impulses and impulses that are present in everyone, whether it's a sexual impulse, an impulse of anything.
(Elisa translates, and everyone starts laughing)
First step, I summarize, first step, postpone your reactions to the next day, it will extinguish itself and the circuit of the reward of the blow will take the lead, it is not definitive of course not the first time, but the more you will be used to do it, the less you will be reactive.
This is applicable in spirituality, in personal development, but we've developed that in the corporate world as well, of course. The second thing we have called lucidity and authenticity will lead to a better perception of your so-called personal emotional intelligence, how the different behaviors are articulated and how they are linked within you. You will therefore increase your neurobiological efficiency, especially by spending much less energy without any effort.
Now the second principle, lucidity and authenticity, is going to consist, and this is in line with what we call the Toltec chords, whatever you are told, don't make it a personal matter. If you are lucid, if you listen to your body because emotion passes through the body, of course, a very simple example is the work of Mr. Ekman in the United States, who has shown that an emotion is always accompanied, in all the peoples of the world, whether it is a Russian, a Masai, a Hindu, it is always the same muscle groups of the face, there are forty muscles that are put into action whether you want it or not.
The amazement, the anger, you see it's not the same muscles that move, and we all have this innate ability, which we call by a learned name dissemia, whatever, which is the ability to recognize non-verbal signals, that is to say, unconsciously, you recognize emotion without the person needing to shout, if they're angry, by the muscles that are involved around the face, even unconsciously.
That's why I was telling you when you are free, you always smile, you can't help it, you are rewarded all the time. Everything is rewarded, your brain is bathed in oxytocin which is the neuro mediator of happiness. So if you adopt authenticity in relation to what you feel, not to what you are told, - as Omram says: "it is he who says who is" -, you become positive whether you like it or not.
(Elisa translates ... a little more ... and people burst out laughing)
All of you, you've all heard about Laughter Yoga, if you make a habit of it yourself, even if it seems artificial to you to smile no matter what, you will program your brain on joy, it's automatic, because what makes the muscles of the face move is what we call the cranial nerves, well, I'm not going to give you the names of the twelve muscles, who cares, but they're all connected to the brain stem and the cerebellum, you remember where the earth triangle is.
If you don't react and smile, you're going to change everything. You will understand and live, you will understand and live the Divine Indifference.
(Laughter in the room at the end of the translation)
In other words, the louder you look, the worse you'll feel. So you don't react, you are authentic and lucid about what is lived in your body compared to what the other says. A very simple example, you love couscous, which is my case, you salivate at the idea of couscous, it's all conditioned and it's all to be seen. What I often say in neuroscience training is that we are slaves, everything we think we decide with the decision-making centers of the prefrontal cortex is absolutely conditioned unconsciously.
That's why, for the last two years, the last three years, we have also insisted on habits. All the things that you do naturally, a habit, whether it is for example taking off your shoes on the way home or in other people's homes, anything, you take any kind of behavior, because habit is also a slavery and that is the lucidity of personal observation, not of the other person, not of the world, of you. It's not introspection in the sense of memory, it's introjection.
Consciousness is turned towards proprioception, what is happening in my body, rather than reaction. Look at the position of your body, someone who is closed it will be like that, crossing his arms, we see them all in conversation with brothers and sisters, as soon as you talk to them, they get like that, they refuse communication. The one who is open will have open arms. It goes very, very far, that is to say that there is a behavioral posturology (*) that is totally unconscious and is the same in all human beings, like the muscles of the face.
(*) Posture.
If you introject your consciousness, not to analyze it, but for example using your consciousness called proprioceptive, what does it mean... (For Elisa) proprioceptive consciousness is the perception of your body. If I ask you where your right hand is, you know where it is, you don't need to think about it. But look at what's happening to your face, you're making a face, or you're smiling, you're angry. Observe the position of your body when you were going to react as usual since you have postponed the emotion.
Because there are ultimately three primary behaviors, I'm not talking about emotion but primary behavior, which was determined by a great, great scientist, you may know, in fact, his name was Laborit, a very great scientist, look... ah! it's a bit difficult but the conclusion is very simple.
Mr. Laborit showed that in all mammals, there are independently of emotions three behaviors, fight, fight or flight or indifference. Indifference is deadly, not the Divine Indifference, I am talking about behavior there. All behaviors, if you are lucid, can be reduced to this, in all emotional circumstances and in all memory processes, it is a survival reflex : flight/fight, flee/fight, flee/fight, it is directly linked of course to reward/punishment.
The punishment circuit is flight, the reward circuit is fight, but the fight is not just about fighting. You will understand very simply, learning is the child, you tell him not to put your hands on the electric plate, it burns, and one day he will put his hand on the plate, escape. You can't fight against an electric plate, and that will get stuck in the brain, you won't touch an electric plate with your hand anymore.
It's behavioral injunctions for the most serious ones, you remember we talked about the little devils, that's all that is used in cognitive and behavioral therapies, today, if you are capable, not of analyzing but of being sensitive to the position of your body, proprioception is simply body awareness, you're going to come out quite quickly, a few weeks, a few months, from this reactionary side which is only linked to these emotions experienced in early childhood and you're going to be, as they say, available.
By observing you, without analyzing you, without looking for causality, there is no need to say: it's mom or dad's fault, it's useless, it's a question of being in this form of benevolent observation of yourself in order to unmask all these cognitive slavery.
All of this will place you in an aptitude to live Freedom and indeed to no longer depend on memories and history, and also to avoid any projection into the future. It's frightfully simple. Observe the position of your body in front of life's circumstances, smile, even if it is a forced smile, it might seem false to you because you are laughing when you don't feel like laughing, but you will, by reflex, free the circuit of punishment and that's the end of guilt, that's the end of self-judgment.
See, once again, it is not a technique or a practice, it is a behavior that you are going to adopt and you will get out, as we say, as the speakers say, without any difficulty in your life, in your history to be in the flow, you will be in the maximum neurobiological efficiency.
It works very well in business, it's actually taught at HEC now, not by me, not by my son, emotional intelligence. The best salesman is not the one who convinces, it's the one who welcomes you because that will activate the reward circuit. So there is no need for competence, there is a need for behavioral aptitude, in all businesses.
Those are the two essential points. The action/reaction replaced by the pro action, the postponement of emotions for a few hours or twenty hours, the lucidity especially the smile, to observe the position of your body, someone who is closed, he is like that, someone who is open, the shoulders are open.
The body imprints emotions not only in headaches or stomach ulcers but by the simple position of your body. What we call here and now, Hic and Nunc, is being totally immersed in the present instant. To do this we must be lucid about what our body is doing without our (...), posturology, putting the muscles of the face into action even if it is forced at the beginning, it will necessarily be forced. Say to someone who is sad "mouse", he will tell you: "but he's crazy, I'm sad". You don't care, keep your sadness, spread your lips, you don't have to believe it, it happens automatically and then you're going to get closer to the present instant.
(Elisa translates and the room starts laughing)
You will no longer be subjected to what you experienced as a child and you will not need to project yourself when someone talks to you about the solution or in the future. So of course, there are other elements but these, these three at least, are the most important ones, without effort and without going to analyze what happened in your childhood, you will very quickly overcome and transcend this cognitive slavery.
The pro action, the lucidity, the smile, whatever happens, you force yourself to smile, it is false since you don't feel like smiling, you feel like crying, you are angry, but you will inevitably and very quickly lead to this state of peace, of non-judgment, of yourself first. That is to say, you will no longer be subjected to the circuit of punishment, only to the circuit of reward, you will put an end to impulses and impulses of any kind whatsoever; you will be in this state of lucidity, clarity, precision, without any effort.
Then at the time, I would have told you: you activate the stars of Clarity and Precision which are on each side of the temples, something that we did, moreover, at the time, with what we called for the participants, the Yoga of Unity, which was exercises like all the Yogas, like the Mudras, the same thing, but applied to the functioning of the brain. If I take my index finger, middle finger and thumb and run my three fingers over the triangle of Air for example, well you're going to... you're activating like a big one the air element, which is Hic. So at the time, we used to do that.
But today, you act directly on these spiritual functions that have been called stars by these rules of conduct. Again, this is not asceticism, this is everyday behavior. You get up in the morning, when you look at yourself in the mirror half asleep, make a habit of smiling at yourself even if, and above all, if there is no reason.
But you are going to change, you are going to observe your behaviour which changes very quickly. Of course, it won't make you experience time zero because you have to accept that you are not a person, but you will get really close to that and your life will change, much more than by meditating or trying to figure out why you have anger. I did talk about smiling, not laughing, smiling, spreading your lips apart, you're implementing I don't know what cranial nerves, facial muscles that will regulate at the unconscious level the cerebellum, all the memories.
The less you react, the more available you will be for the instant and you will have the opportunity to see how your body is placed, which are the muscles of your face that you have unconsciously activated. It's reflex, it's not motor, on the other hand, when I say smile, it's motor, but, it will modify the functioning of the reward and punishment circuits and, at some point, you will switch into the Presence, right here in this body.
You will see the unreality of the world as described by countless mystics, I took the example of Krishnamurti a few days ago.
-Elisa : He didn't smile much.
-Elisa: Krishnamurti, he didn't smile much.
No, no, no. But when he lived, when he was young, yes, afterwards if you like, there is such a weight, of all the spiritualists who are the most dangerous beings on the planet because they are in the dream, well, he took it all the same. Steiner died anyway. He died of stomach cancer at a very young age. As soon as he denounced anthroposophy and theosophy, he developed stomach cancer.
We already have the first three simple rules. Because it is not enough to say I am present, I am present for it to work. You have to be present under certain conditions and under certain conditions. What we call Silence is nothing else but that. So of course those who live transmutation, Freedom, who are free because they have found that they have never been locked up, it happens by itself. But you have the right to use your person to obey these few rules: no reaction, smile, ah ... Internet cut, ah it's back, you didn't miss anything. There was a break in the connection but it's okay.
... And you will very easily see not only the progress but the transformation, and you will come to this feeling, you will see really and concretely, whether you feel the energies, the vibrations, that you are in the real Life or not. You know it instantly when you live it, and then you see the results.
I said, over your entire life, which is no longer your life for that matter, you are in maximum neuro-biological efficiency, you will become able to identify all the emotions you are living without needing to dissect, analyze or repress them, it's impossible emotion is.
You will witness the disappearance of impulses of any kind, you will observe the disappearance of habits, you will see them for what they are, and more and more you will feel free, free of yourself, that's what they say, it's not the person who is liberated, it's you who are liberated from the person.
Being free of the person means no longer being subjected to memories of any kind, no longer being subjected to the automatisms of behavior and emotions, simply with these three elements that I have just explained to you for more than an hour. There are other things, of course, but I'm not going to overload.
At that point, you will have an ability to identify and name your emotions, which is one of the criteria of emotional intelligence, personal, essential: the ability to name and identify emotions, the ability to appreciate the intensity of emotions, and you will find that anxiety management and stress management will always be very fluid.
This is the emotional fundamentals, identifying, naming and observing emotions. Here I have given you a key, a good one that is perfectly proven in neuroscience and that will be much more effective than the Yogas you can imagine, it is the Yoga of Life, it is the Yoga of Silence. There can no longer be any projection or frame of reference, any judgment is good, it's bad, you will be permanently in the reward, in the most important phases, it can go up to a senseless enjoyment that doesn't stop, no more that happens at the level of the heart that you can't ignore of course.
It's an enjoyment that, even if it should be through sex, which is lived here. Even if you don't feel the energies, you know it's happening here, you feel it even if it's not energy, even if it's not a crown, something is happening here. You see, it's awfully simple. Compared to what I just said, do you have any questions or clarifications.
-Elisa: You told them this in a very simple, very childish way.
Yes.
-Élisa: So I was saying the same thing but explained neuro-scientifically.
One could very well imagine a training course, a meeting or an apprenticeship in two or three days, of what I came to say there. It's much easier to do it in a group than alone. You see, learning to smile even if you feel like killing the other one, it's not a big deal.
(Laughter)
If you do this, it will change your life, you will get closer to the presence and the eternal present, to the natural state, to the path of childhood, to simplicity, to humility. It's also a good idea, that, learning to smile, what is not to react and postpone an emotion and observe the posture of the body, proprioception.
I had already developed, a long time ago, two, three years ago, the notion of a body at rest when your consciousness remains oriented towards the perception of the body, when you are lying still, what are we all going to feel as if the body is falling asleep, you are awake but the body doesn't move anymore.
That's the process I used to use when I went out of my body in eternity, I would lie down, I would cross my ankles to amplify the wave of life, I would reunite the two lateral sides of the wave of life in the middle. In a few conscious breaths, I bring my consciousness to the body that doesn't move and to my breathing, in the space of a few minutes, without inducing sophrological relaxation, all alone, the proprioception of the body will fall asleep, you will more (+) perceive the position of your body by being lucid on breathing, and then you dive or you go out, it's the same, not in the astral but in the body of eternity.
At the time, I didn't develop it because the adamantine particles weren't present enough to make it work every time. This means that if you can find moments like we said of rest, of tranquility, that you put yourself in an extended position, with your ankles crossed in any direction, with your eyes closed, focusing your consciousness on the perception of your body and breathing, and if, on top of that, you smile, you will be instantly free without asking for anything, without expecting anything.
Experience it, you will see. Because when you turn your consciousness on the perception of your body, you can't think, there can't be thoughts coming, there is no effort to make. That is the characteristic of this form of consciousness which is body consciousness. You are here and now in this body whether you want it or not and being lucid about it will bring you closer to the Presence and the present instant.
-Elisa : The body of being is the body of Light?
Yes, even for those who don't feel the vibrations, I was saying, you won't know where your legs, your feet, your head are anymore, very quickly, two, three minutes. At that moment, you will feel some kind of tingling, numbness, even vibration, not energy flowing, static vibration. People still make the difference between energy and vibration, they haven't understood anything. Energy is not a vibration even if it has a frequency at the level experienced by the body. An energy by definition is something that circulates in meridians, in nadis, you can feel the energy flowing.
The vibration is static and people twenty years later ...
-Elisa: I've said that twenty times.
... Even the people who followed AD, who live Freedom, still haven't understood that energy will never be a vibration, energy is movement, the vibration at the body level is static, your body vibrates or your hand vibrates, but there is no energy flowing, it's zero time. This is what precedes the extinction of the vibration. When I say in the Absolute there is no vibration or energy, it is the Truth.
But if you confuse, if you confuse energy and vibration, you are deceiving yourself. And there are some who deliberately maintain confusion because they do not experience vibration, so they call energy vibration.
Energy, Chi, breath as the Chinese say, the definition of Chi, energy, is the water that flows between two banks for the meridians, it's electromagnetic, okay? The Chi for the Chinese, the ideogram, is a cauldron in which rice is cooked by the fire below and the Chi is the steam that is above. It is linked to the agitation of the water that heats up, to movement, the vibration is not linked to movement, it is linked to immobility, and here in this case of the body.
And there, at that moment, you can go out, you are going to go out through the heart, not through the head or through the plexus, and when I say go out, don't see a movement because in reality, it is a movement to go into the heart of the heart, where there are all the worlds and all the others.
And that you live it, you have access to everything, absolutely everything, it's not intuition, it's not vision, it's not mediumship. It is the Vacuity that triggers this, the Silence of the person, the lucidity on the emotional state, on the position of the body, what has been called the observer, but this time not from outside the theater stage, but from your intimate theater.
-Élisa : It's entering into the heart of the heart?
Yes, that's it, but you get into the heart, not because you say I get into my heart, that's bullshit, it never works. There has to be the disappearance of proprioception, of the perception of the body by bringing the perception to the body and to the breathing, I'm not even talking about the three-beat rhythm of the heart.
(A sister asks a question in Spanish).
The vibration what?
What is the question?
-Elisa: If in the zero point, we are in the vibration.
No, there is no vibration at the zero point, that's what I just said, exactly the opposite, if you vibrate, you will never touch the zero point, but it's a step.
Before the extinction of all energetic or vibratory perception, you go through this Silence. At zero time, there is no more vibration, there is no more energy, and it is when you experience this that you are free of your person, not before, as long as you feel the energies you cannot be free.
-Elisa: When it is there, it is very difficult to come back, it is very difficult afterwards to come back when it is in this state, sometimes it takes hours to come back, [...] it is very difficult to come back.
Once you've gone through this process, there's no point in trying to relive it over and over again, whether it's through meditation or whatever, because you'll find it harder and harder to come back. At that point, this process that you live in rest and silence of the body must pass into everyday life. There, what I give is not all the time that you have to do it, it is at the beginning, as soon as you have lived, when you have lived this process that you describe, effectively if you maintain it too long, you will have more and more difficulty to come back.
That's what was happening when I was doing the decorporation treatments in the body of eternity, where it really took a while to get my body back. Because when your consciousness goes out at time zero and comes back into the body, you really feel like you're going into a corpse, into something that is limited or frozen.
So how do you avoid that? Once the process is understood and lived, you will be able to trigger it even in movement. Through smiling and observing, but not observing the theater scene, but observing your body.
-Elisa: Being and not being, in fact it's being there and not being there?
No, you are completely there.
-Elisa: Yes, but...
But it's not the person who is there, it's the Presence.
-Elisa: That's right, but you can explain it in a way, I'm there, I participate but I'm not really there.
You're completely there, I would say, but at time zero. If you're somewhere else, it's because you're not there.
You will no longer be submissive, then indeed, the important thing is to understand...
-Elisa: I don't want to come back when I'm there.
What?
-Élisa: I don't want to come back when I'm there. It's not that I'm struggling, it's that I don't want to come back.
A refusal to embody [...] the cord around my neck.
-Elisa: But when I am there in the state you described, it is very difficult for me because I don't want to come back.
But it's an escape, it's a flight. The goal is to merge this particular state with the daily act. Without that, it's an escape. All right, it's very pleasant, you're bathed in Beatitude, but then when you come back? The goal is not to leave.
If this state you are in...
-Elisa: I understand, but I don't know how to explain it, because I feel it here, it's being there and at the same time being here.
Yes.
-Élisa: But that's why I'm telling you it's being and not being because I'm here, but I'm not here.
That's why ...
-Elisa: I am not involved in this.
That's why even the distinction between being and non-being, which is pedagogical, doesn't mean anything. There is no more being than non-being, there is Truth, period.
-Elisa: Yes, but how do you explain it?
By making the connection, it is not to be explained, it is to be lived. Instead of living it as I have just explained to trigger it, once it is triggered, once you have lived it, you just have to bring it back, by doing the dishes or the housework.
You have all the possibilities to do it, this time by moving. You smile, you look at the position of your body and you're going to see that you're going to be able to move, do what you're doing and as Elisa says, be there and at the same time there, but in fact you're completely here and now. If there is no fusion between eternity and the ephemeral, as they say between the Absolute and the ordinary conscious, you are on the run.
-Elisa: It's like drugs in fact.
It's like?
-Elisa: It's like drugs, it's a flight.
Ah yes, of course.
-Elisa: It's like drugs but if you don't bring it here it's ...
Wait, what you are saying is to be put into perspective, when you talk about drugs, because there are anterogens, as I mentioned, that trigger this state. But these are not recreational drugs, it's Salvia, it's psilocybin, you see, which are products that will put you in the present instant, not Ayahuasca and Iboga that take you into the astral.
-Elisa was talking about drugs that are a leak.
Ayahuasca and Iboga take you to the astral, nowhere else and with ...
-Elisa: Slowly.
-Elisa: I have been, I have been many times in this state, I arrived alone, I went to bed and I got there. I have been in this state of pleasure where the smile was there but now I am getting to this state but the smile doesn't come. Why not? What happened, lately I have been moving backwards, I used to be in these states and the smile was there but now I get to be in this state but the smile is not coming.
Because it's not a natural state, it's because you're re-living in your consciousness this experience, these extraordinary experiences, and you're trying to relive them in the present but they're gone.
-Elisa: It's like dissociated, isn't it?
It is what?
-Elisa: I don't understand.
Because you keep the memory of the past experience or experiences and you bring those memories back to the present, unconsciously, you can't do anything, it's like that.
-Elisa: I go to bed and I get to that state right away, but I don't have a smile on my face.
Yes, but if you're up and you can't do it, it's useless. It can only leave a huge frustration. It means that there hasn't been a fusion between the two.
-Sister: [...] It stays there.
What I gave you as a technique, as behavioral advice this morning, is exactly to live it in a lucid, conscious way, in everyday life. I remind you that it has been called the natural state, and that the only way, in fact, is to smile, and you're going to bring about fusion, to observe precisely what's going on, your thoughts, your emotions, without giving them free rein, you carry them over, and to smile.
The process that I said, extended for proprioception, is for people who don't live it, but I didn't say that you have to live it all the time to be able to live it, on the contrary, you describe it very well.
-Elisa: Afterwards, it's like a vibratory spasm, the whole body vibrates.
Yes.
-Sister: I come back, it's like going back down [...].
In the presence of the zero instant, except during the discovery, you have the impression of exploding, there is no vibration or, in any case, consciousness is not centered on vibrations, on perceptions, it is centered on Silence.
-Sister: When you feel like you're exploding, what is that?
The goal is to bring that back here.
-Sister: But yes.
But the problem is, as we said with Chi, as soon as you indulge in that, you're going to find it harder and harder and harder to come back. Me, I say to start the process, but then, especially not, when you live it, to repeat it over and over again, non-stop.
I repeated it over and over again, over and over again for a period of time because I had things to do, in other dimensions, on this Earth, but then I stopped. Not because it was useless, even though Bidi told me so, but simply because it was a waste of energy, a waste of time and that, on the contrary, it was the Intelligence of the Light that was acting and not you. The problem as you present it is that you are convinced that it is always you who are leading this. Yes at the beginning.
(Discussion in Spanish)
But then what?
(Discussion in Spanish between the sister and Elisa)
Any other questions or things to say?
(Discussion in Spanish)
What do they say?
-Elisa: She said that she doesn't see it as an escape, you see, as a recipe.
Yes, but you say yourself that it is not lived in the natural state, in the conscious.
-Sister: That served me well when I was a little bit, perhaps agitated, I don't know, I lay down and remained calm.
Yes, but it's still an escape even if you say no. It's an apprenticeship, but if you stay in that apprenticeship because you feel good at the time, then you're no longer in reality, or you're somewhere else, and somewhere, it's an escape.
If you haven't found it, if you don't live this state in your daily life, not when you're channeled or expanding or whatever, it's useless and you're going to suffer because you see, you see the difference between these states where you're extraordinarily well and then the person who is always there and who is not well. You see?
(Discussion in Spanish)
When we say aligned body, soul, spirit as we used to say at the time with the source crystal, as long as there is no alignment at time zero, both of these states but also of your person, it's useless It is in this sense that it is not a fusion, it is a separation, it is a suffering, it is a tear. Because you can only see that when you're in that state you're fine, really fine, and then when you come back into the person everything goes wrong.
(Discussion in Spanish)
You understand the difference, yes?
If you make the junction, if it makes itself with a smile, as I told you this morning, well, you will see that there is no difference between the moment when you lie down, when you no longer leave and the moment, any moment of your life.
You are always the same. There is no more variation of emotional state, there is no predominance of the mind, that is to say, you see that there are no iterative thoughts coming back, you are available, you are free.
When we talk about this freedom it means that you are no longer subject to the person, you are no longer subject to suffering, not because you have elucidated it, but because, as they say, you have gone through it. Otherwise you create an enormous distance between what is called Shantinilaya, the Abode of Supreme Peace, that you live in immobility when you are lying down, but the person is not concerned and that can only make you feel bad because you see the difference objectively even without analyzing yourself, between the moment you are in that state of fullness or emptiness.
-Sister : That's what I mean, it's that when I get to that state, I'm able when I come back to continue in that state, so it serves me, it's not a separation, it serves me but ...
But it doesn't last.
-Sister: There you go.
It disappears.
-Sister: It disappears, there's a moment when it disappears.
It goes away, it's not immutable, what we called immutability.
-Sister: That's it.
The immutability is total peace no matter what happens, but the junction has to be made, but obviously you're going to take advantage of this effect when you come back, but it disappears. And when it disappears, you are even worse, you miss it.
-Sister: Yes.
But I assure you that you can experience it without the need to meditate, pray or raise your consciousness, in any vibration whatsoever.
When you get the thing, it will be lived, it will be lived.
(Discussion in Spanish)
So let's start again for everybody, there are some things to ask about this before we go on to questions.
Over there.
(Discussion in Spanish)
So what are they talking about now?
-Elisa: Trauma, they are traumatized by what you said, they didn't understand anything.
(Discussion in Spanish)
-Élisa : She says a practice of that, it's not a practice ...
It's just an apprenticeship, as I said.
(Discussion in Spanish)
What does it say?
-Elisa: That meditation in daily life, no it is not a separation ...
Of course.
-Elisa : ... we meditate, that's it, I always said.
As soon as you close up, there is meditation, there is normal life, you are wrong.
-Elisa: But it's the big fashion because everyone tells me I meditate.
I know that.
-Elisa: So I am often asked: Are you going to meditate? I say, I don't meditate. That's not it, you meditate by doing things?
(Discussion in Spanish)
You don't need meditation, prayer or anything. This is all a charade, it's not true. I spent my time saying that you need lucidity.
-Elisa: I have never done meditation, whereas people, "I meditate", I said good so ...
Sister: But slander means not to say, slander.
The story of the Buddhist monks who, by dint of meditating on the tankas, on something, free themselves, is false.
-Sister: It's the opposite.
It's the middle, where I've never seen...
-Sister: People when they come back, there is an even bigger problem.
Wait a minute, I've been healing, I had a friend who was ...
-Sister: They will retire to a monastery, for example, when they return ...
I had ... we're waiting (To Elisa)
-Sister: The problem is even greater.
I had the opportunity to treat many, many Tibetan monks when I was a doctor. I haven't seen a Tibetan monk, and some very famous ones, with an open heart, there's no such thing.
-Sister: There is no such thing.
They all have the second chakra burst. I remind you, however, that it is among Buddhists that there are the most pedophiles. Much more than among others, it is part of their rites at home in Tibet, but of course. There are even lamas who have spat out the piece, who are very well known, who speak, who say that they were raped all their childhood. Stop dreaming, as soon as you work on self-control, confidence, willpower ...
-Elisa: Slowly, please.
(Laughter)
At this point, you favor the second chakra, where all predators are, especially sexual predators. There is no mystery, I have not seen any Tibetan monks, and yet, they were "very high"! I affirm that they do not know what love is, they do not live it.
-Sister: [...] practice Zen.
Without even mentioning Presence. If you want to be true and authentic, just be spontaneous, that's all. Nothing to do, but if you understand what I told you this morning as a practice that is something you're going to do all the time, you haven't understood.
It's an apprenticeship, that's all, to help you see clearly.
-Elisa: That would be what the mystics used to say, contemplation in action.
That's it, it's being lucid in the instant, contemplation can be exercised in a human relationship, I said it yesterday, on a tomato or anything. It's much more than seeing or looking, it's as they say, changing one's gaze. The object looked at with contemplation, as you say, shows you that there is no distance, and there you are effectively in this absence of judgment, discrimination and separation. You see?
It's all right. I'm going to suggest that you take a break, but before I cut the recording, we need to talk about tomorrow's day.
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By Jean Luc Ayoun
Les Transformations
Transcription from French: https://www.facebook.com/Transcriptionsfr
English revised translation: LMF - DeepL translator
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