Video Audio in French, Simultaneous translation to Spanish
SATSANG 2. JEAN LUC AYOUN. SPAIN (CASA DE VIDA SHANTINILAYA). SATURDAY 1ST AUGUST 2020
Then we go on with what you want.
An important element too, which had been developed at length by Nisargadatta during his lifetime, but also in 2012. He insisted a lot on recognizing yourself in a simple way, to try to have memories, not of past lives or traumas, but simply of your two years, before four years, whatever the memory, because between two and four years there is still no consciousness of being an individual on the planet, and he said that if you want to regain the Freedom you have always been, it is not to bring your life or history back to life, it is to remind you of the state you were in before the appearance of individuality.
So it can also be a technique today, without talking about regression or anything, to try to remember scenes from your life when you were very small, between two and four years old. But in what he was saying, it's a pretty radical way of understanding, and that's just decoration, a false identification induced by mom and dad calling you by your first name, or a little name, which literally creates the feeling of individuality.
But before the age of four you have no individuality, the astral body is not constituted, it is the body of the ego of course, the body of suffering and the mental body arrives much later, twelve, fourteen years.
-Elisa: Yes, it reminds me of something that does not come from me, but I remember when he was little, he always said, the child has, his name was Nene, the child he is hungry, the child has this. Because we called him Néné.
He spoke in the third person.
-Elisa: His name was Néné: Néné is hungry.
-Elisa: He was speaking in the third person.
Yes, yes he was.
-Sister: Because he spoke to him as you spoke to him, you said Ninio, but not Néné.
-Elisa: No, I used to say to my husband, el Néné, my grandmother, my mother and everyone called him Néné, so he didn't identify himself, he would say ...
We will call her Néné.
-Elisa: ... El Néné. It's true that when you are small, there are things that are difficult for them.
Besides, the memories you're going to have, you're going to see that if you can bring them up, I had some of them when I was two years old, and these memories, you see that you are not in the body, you don't see from what you are doing, you see in panoramic vision. It's an indelible proof that you are not that body.
I remember very well, I remember very well, for example, I was two years old, I was turning on the grandparents' large terrace with a pedal tricycle, but I didn't relive the scene, when I remember it, as being on the tricycle, but being in telescopic vision, that is, a panoramic vision of this child who is on his tricycle.
If you find, if you revive that kind of memory, you'll understand that identity is a decoy, and it works every time. Try it, you'll see. But it can't be directed by someone, you can't do as you say a regression, because there is an implication, it has to happen by itself.
You let your memory float, you all have childhood scenes of whatever kind, you go back in time to before you were four years old, and you're going to see that the memories that are going to happen, the impressions, the experience of the scene, is not in the body, you are outside the body, at that moment, you are the space.
Then of course, from eighteen months, two years, the fontanelles close. At birth, there is an angel who passes by and shushes, the hollow you have in the middle of your lips, not to say the Truth.
But anyone can bring back memories. There's another way, a little more brutal, that I used even in the early days of Autres Dimensions, which is the Rebirth. Do you know that in Spain, the Rebirth?
-Sister: Yes.
You make people hyper-ventilate, they're going to go into a real tetany crisis, but instead of letting them go into space anywhere, you bring them back to birth, to your birth, and there, it's the explosion, the dream flies away. I used to do this in groups at the very beginning of Autres Dimensions.
Very simple, people lie down, we make them hyper ventilate until a real tetany crisis, and then it completely releases, provided that we don't let them go anywhere but direct them at the moment of birth. And when you assist with the Rebirth, spontaneously it can't come back, but with the Rebirth it comes back very well, a little bit like the reading of the birth that we used to do with the crystals, you remember with (incomprehensible) last year.
You could see the birth scene, but now you're going to live it, and you're going to realize that you're neither in the womb nor in the baby. You see that from a corner of the delivery room, and there you are rid of the feeling of being an individual. You're not yet in your natural state, but you have a fundamental proof that you're just in this body, but you're not this body.
-Sister: I remember before ...
-Elisa: I thought that this was a duplication, it was rather due to the fact that you enter into your soul, into your astral body...
Yes.
-Elisa: But then...
You don't come back at birth, if you want the soul is trapped forty days before conception, because you can bring up memories from forty days before conception, the soul is already there, but it is not trapped. From the moment the egg is fertilized by a sperm, the soul sends two threads of light that will trigger the embryology, really, and at the moment of birth, the first cry, the other twenty-two threads of light begin to take possession of the body, but without being in the body.
In fact, what is called the soul chakra, above the right breast and the spirit chakra, above the left breast, it is through these points that the soul enters and is trapped by matter from the age of three or four, since the soul is housed in the liver, the place of memory and remembrance, the place of forecast and plane, as described by the Chinese in Chinese medicine. The liver is the place of anticipation and planning, the place of war as the Chinese say, which allows one to win the battle without fighting.
There was a huge teaching by Ma nanda Moyi in 2011 on turning the soul over to the spirit, to no longer feed the material but to open up to the spirit. But it was not enough for a very simple reason, that the primary anomaly is an energy circuit of the etheric body, which is not on an acupuncture meridian or on what is called a nadir in Ayurvedic medicine, - etheric body -, it is an almost invisible structure that will return the information from the spirit and the information from the soul to the matter. This is the confinement.
The resolution of the primary anomaly at the collective level, the dissolution of the Van Allen mirrors, the Van Allen belt which is a plasma, it made visible the primary anomaly that we all wore, especially women because they are the creators, so there can be no memories of the Truth within the person, because in those cases, everything that you live, that seems liberating to you, is going to be sent back to the body.
That's what I was also telling you in relation to psychology, you solve something out of a plane, you believe that it is eliminated above the causal, whereas it's going to go down over the years to the level of the body on the psychological territory that corresponds to an organ in general, and you're going to develop a degenerative disease on the target organ of the psychological function. It's like that every time.
So that's why many neuroscientists today denounce all psychology and all psychoanalysis as a monumental swindle of the twentieth century. Moreover, what is called the body of suffering, the character, the ego, is only a memorable body. We all know it, we are the result of our conditioning, of our education, of the learning of habits, what we call education, school or family, which will reinforce us in the illusion of being a person.
And there, it's over, we have family ties, we have emotional ties, we have ties with the profession we do and we identify with all these ties. There is no space for freedom in there, it's social, moral, emotional conventions that are, I would say the dream within the dream.
-Sister: Does that correspond to bodies in pain?
What?
-Sister: Bodies in pain by Eckhart Tolle.
Yes, yes, he talks about that too, of course.
-Sister: The primary abnormality, you didn't go all the way, the primary abnormality, how do we fix it?
How do you go about being?
-Sister: To solve the problem of the primary anomaly for women, for example.
Let go! It's called abandonment to the Light in the sense that Anaël defined it before the celestial wedding and for a year in 2009, which at the time we didn't understand, because to say abandonment to the Light, even I, we didn't accept it, it meant nothing. What do you mean, surrendering to the Light, since we were looking for the Light, we cannot surrender to it.
-Elisa : When you are no longer interested in anything, a few years ago I was interested in a lot of things, painting, writing and all that. Now I don't want anything, there is nothing that interests me. Friends come, we go out, I go to go, but otherwise, it doesn't mean anything to me.
It's the absence of desire, it can also be a disease called acedics, a-a-a-die, it's a disease where you don't do anything anymore, you're in prostration. But the difference is that when I don't do anything, I am in Beatitude, whereas the one who does nothing and who doesn't want to do anything and who is anxious is pathological. I can stay several days without doing anything, or decide to go to a restaurant, it doesn't change anything. There's no difference, there's continuity.
Just remember...
-Elisa: She says yes, maybe I go to pass the time. But I say, it's not even to pass the time, you go and that's it.
It's there and that's it.
Remember what Osho said in 2017 and 2018, the quieter you stay, the more the Silence will fall on you. You cannot seek Silence, you cannot seek Freedom.
-Elisa: It was Anael who said?
No, it was Osho
(Laughter)
In 2017.
If humility and simplicity seem out of reach in terms of understanding or experience, adopt laziness and keep it quiet, and you will discover immutability. If you want to see tomato feet growing, you watch them grow without asking for anything and Silence will fall upon you, but you cannot seek it. Remember this essential sentence: "It is never the person who is liberated, it is impossible, it is you who are liberated from the person, from the idea of being a person."
Yes.
-Brother: The absence of desire is ...
You can't hear anything.
-Brother: Does the absence of desire come from going to time zero, when you get to the zero point, does it create an absence of desire in order to ...
You're going to repeat the question because ...
-Elisa : Yes, so if the absence of desire ...
Yes.
-Elisa : ... and if it takes place at time zero, can no longer have desire...
-Sister: What if it's the zero time signal?
And then. There is no desire, but you are free.
-Brother: Okay.
You are free to decide to make love, you are free to decide to go and eat, but you are not subject to hunger or sexual desire, a big difference, there is no impulse.
Isn't that the point?
-Sister: If it's related to ground zero.
What? I didn't understand.
-Elisa: If it is linked to point zero.
Yes.
-Sister: Is the absence of desire related to the presence of the zero point?
Of course it is.
-Sister: When you don't feel like...
As long as there is no zero point, as long as time hasn't stopped, as long as space hasn't disappeared, you can't be free. As long as you haven't lived it, it remains a concept even if you adhere to it. You really have to live this moment and there, I'm not talking about being in the middle and seeing all of creation, but simply, there present, available, and there, at that moment, you are going to live the Great Silence.
This is the experience that Krisnamurti described when he was eighteen years old, when he lost his brother. Suddenly the landscape was replaced by Truth, he was not asking for anything, he was looking at the landscape. That's what I tell you when I tell you look at a tomato, or when I tell you take a brush or do whatever you want.
-Brother: It's true that arriving at time zero, I find that it makes things a little more...
What did he say?
(Discussion in Spanish)
Remember that everything I tell you ..., then the question.
-Elisa: The question is this, not wanting to do anything, it's related to the zero point.
Often yes at the moment, often yes. You watch helplessly the disappearance of hobbies, the disappearance of important things, but it doesn't deprive you of them. That is to say that your behavior is not linked to history, is not linked to an emotion, is not linked to a physiological impulse, whether it is hunger or making love, you eat when you feel like it, you make love when you decide but not when you have an impulse.
-Elisa: An illusion, we are used to having an illusion all the time, I am happy to go to restaurants, but I don't go there anymore because I have an illusion, I go there because...
But it's still an illusion because sometimes I say to myself: I'd like to eat something, I arrive at the restaurant and I'm not hungry anymore. Besides, I wasn't hungry, it was the idea of eating. So it's true that it's very destabilizing in relation to habits, but that's precisely what breaks habits and memory.
And there's nothing better today...
-Élisa : It's true, it's a very disconcerting point.
Yes, it is disconcerting, but if you replace it by the absorption of the observation, whether this observation is that of an object, a plant...
(Discussion in Spanish)
-Elisa: Because the mind is not used to that.
It is not used to it at all.
-Elisa: The mind finds this new situation of freedom strange.
So you have two ways to promote it, either simply by observing what is under your gaze, I took the tomato ...
(Laughter)
... it can also be the expression of something that will captivate you, I don't know about me, painting, drawing, but also, even more easily, observing what is going on in you at that moment. You observe that you ask yourself questions, you are confused, why I am like this. Get into the habit of observing even the thought and you will very quickly understand that it is not you. You see, I try to give you a kind of pedagogy of the present moment, or at least to get closer to it because that's the purpose of the meeting, but you have everything at your disposal in the dream, in the reality that we know.
So before, it was necessary to enter in resonance, that's why there were all the contacts with the people of nature and no longer only with entities from above, but with terrestrial entities, Phahame, it is terrestrial eh, it is not elsewhere. Erelim, Eriane all peoples, Fennel, they are on earth, they are not elsewhere even if it is in a dimension that is more ethereal.
You see, today it is even simpler. Observe what is, not to judge it, not to change it, not to interpret it. Observe what is, outside or inside, and if you are too confused with doing nothing and your mind tells you, "But this is not normal," then you say, "Well, you can go out and do painting, music, singing, whatever you want to do.
That's attention, but attention derived.
(Discussion in Spanish)
Because as soon as something happens, for everyone, anyone, if it's also a suffering, you have the impression that you have to solve it, that you have to understand it, that you have to analyze it, and then it's over, you're embarked in history.
In a way, you have to go beyond all causality. To do this, really be the observer, without judging anything, you observe within yourself that you feel such and such an emotion, such and such a tension, you don't try to solve anything, you don't act, you observe. But if you are looking for explanations, justifications or to link this to an element of suffering from the past, even if you are healed, you will reinforce the illusion all the more as it works, the energetic, all these things, they work, they work, but at no time will they free you from any history.
They maintain causality, they maintain the illusion of the person and, ultimately, it is a trap. That's why, today, we are still developing a lot about this notion of the present moment. You all know Eckhart Tolle, but I can give you dozens of names of women who speak only of this, and who have lived through the same experience as Krisnamurti did when he lost his brother. He was so gripped by suffering, there it was a frozen immobility, frozen and not dynamic, and there suddenly the veil was torn. And that can happen under any circumstance.
For me, I remember one day when I had been in Paris in a church that was held by one of Padre Pio's spiritual sons, the spiritual son of the Padre Pio who was called, who is dead now, who was called Father Stafiro. At that time, I was in my Christic Rosary period and I prayed for an hour and a half a day, the rosary, the so-called three rosaries, and at that Mass I attended, when I was not expecting anything, I was sitting, simply observing, and then there the sky was torn, I saw when Father Stafiro raised the chalice as in a cartoon, a big tear and two angels descending with the white light into the host.
I have never had another opportunity, but in other churches, what comes down is not really the Light. But I lived it, that's not why I was free at that time, I was young, but nevertheless I had the real and concrete proof of the existence of the invisible.
It is this kind of experience that you can live now, simply by being kind to yourselves. When you have an illness, it is normal to want to cure yourself by all possible means, but first try to accept the unacceptable.
You have to increase the air conditioning a little, it heats up a lot outside.
-Élisa: I'm too hot, I can't, I'm too hot right now.
Yes, it's much too hot there.
(Discussion in Spanish)
It's getting hot.
-Elisa: Yes, now it's getting hot.
Try not to judge yourselves, alone, it's not in front of yourself, it's not in front of a therapist, a therapist you ask for help, but in front of yourselves, in front of an illness, in front of anything, even if it's fatal. Observe, don't react even if you know that you need to be treated and go see someone, but when you are alone, don't look for noon to two: why you got this, what is this punishment, what is this mistake.
There is no mistake.
Wait, you do this in front of the microphone, I'll do it next to the microphone.
(Laughter in the room)
So don't worry about what you hear, it's a fan noise.
(Laughter)
It is neither belching nor flatulence.
Translate anyway, I open wide, it's the movement of the fan.
(Discussions in Spanish and laughter)
See today, you have so many opportunities to really meet each other, there is no need to look for noon to two, there is no need to vibrate even if you have them, even if you like them. This is the phrase Anaël repeated to me for years: "Hic and Nunc, Hic and Nunc, here and now" whatever you are told, Hic and Nunc, ah he told us the story!
If you do this with yourselves with kindness, I'm not saying that you won't have to go see a surgeon, an oncologist or go to rehab, but it will change everything inside you.
Acceptance puts an end to suffering even if you have to leave and you can only live it. I think we will have testimonials from people who have gotten there, from someone who has lived with terminal cancer, someone who is completely at peace.
I'm the one who has it, but it's for Pépère, we're going to copy it.
(Discussion in the room)
The fan gag. Is that what's heating us up? That's what I'm told, there you go, you turn it a little. It's that it burns all the same, a total burn, that's what I'm told.
-Sister: That's it!
So you see Agape's pedagogy, it's not a teaching. I'm not going to talk to you about teaching, not now, nor about technique, Life is the teacher. If you are lucid, if you are completely present in what is, you will go through it, that's what I've been repeating for years. It will also allow you to position yourself.
What is important? Your story, your karma, your character or Freedom? It's one or the other. The choice is yours.
(Fan noise, then laughter in the room)
No, but frankly, it's insanely hot here. I don't know what's going on.
Is it you who is heating?
(Laughter and discussion in the room)
-Élisa : Incredible, it's crazy, I felt at one point that ...
I feel like I'm getting an inner hot flush.
-Elisa : Me too. That's why I told you I couldn't take it anymore.
It's not the temperature outside.
(Discussion in Spanish)
Come on, let's go on, do you have other questions about this present moment, about the Presence, about the natural state?
-Elisa: Maybe we will burn today.
We are approaching the third, anyway we have been at full moon since yesterday.
-Elisa: You know that I have everything in advance so I can burn here in front of you.
-Élisa: I had a memory, I told you about it, but for me I interpreted it in a different way. It was when Daniel died, I went into the room, he was lying down, but the shock was so great for me...
Entered?
-Élisa: That I saw it from the outside.
Well, yes.
-Élisa: I wasn't in my body.
But that's what happens when you have an accident or a violent shock, whether you die or not. For example, a car accident, you feel that your life is at stake. You have already left your body. Me the same, not in this life, but I remember when I was a troubadour in Western England in 1530 ...
(Spanish translation and laughter)
And I was precipitated from the top of the castle, because I was mocking the castelaine who did not appreciate it at all, and who made me precipitate from the top of the castle on the rocks. I don't know, about thirty meters high, but I was already out of my body before touching the ground.
That's what happens in septic shocks, in extremely violent accidents, a disease that erupts very suddenly. That's what people who have near-death experiences describe, the first stage of people who have near-death experiences, they are in a corner of the room and they see what happens when they are in the operating room.
And there, where it's even more surprising because there are some who had the idea of studying what happens to people who were blind from birth, they don't see anything since they were born, they've been operated on, they've been in a coma, or a shock for one reason or another, and they all describe, as they come out of their bodies, which were in the operating room, the color of their hair, of their clothes, of the walls, without eyes.
You see, we've all had these experiences, even in a dream, these decorporation experiences, even staying in the same environment, it happens extremely frequently. When you are seized by a shock, as you say, you by Daniel's death, it's...
-Elisa: Yes, but apart from that, I felt that whatever it was, it wasn't dramatic. It's funny.
No, it's not.
-Elisa: I don't think so....
It's dramatic for a mother, but it's not dramatic for what you are, it's dramatic for the role.
-Elisa : Yes, but the character yes, but I was watching the character.
And when you are in that observation, there is no emotion possible.
-Elisa: But I got confused because I saw my other self outside, and I didn't understand. I said, "So what's looking at this one, who was it then?
Yes, it creates dissociation, of course, it's almost a schizophrenic state, schizophrenics, psychotic states, that's it.
If you say this body is going to go eat, this body this, this body that, because it really sees itself from the outside. Look even at the speeches we've all used, from someone who is said to be not rooted, we're going to treat him to root him, but this is monumental bullshit, you can't be anywhere else but here and now, think about it for two seconds. You're running away in your head but you're still here, here and now.
Even if you feel like you're next to your shoes, the astral body out of place or the etheric body above you, you are there, you can't be anywhere else but where you are.
-Elisa: But then, as you see in the aura, they are displaced, the aura is displaced.
Yes, of course, of course.
-Elisa: The etheric aura is displaced.
It's really displaced, of course, so you see it, things you see commonly.
But the interpretation that we make of it, we tell people you're next to their shoes or they're hovering, yes, you can see it in the subtle bodies, but even in what we can see, you're not anywhere else but here and now, again the natural state.
-Élisa: It grows everywhere.
Something else.
-Élisa: That's not normal, you have to check the Schumann resonance?
No, not even.
-Elisa: You don't see, so it's Nibiru.
I don't know what's going on but something is happening.
The Schumann resonance, that's it, no, there's nothing, it's dead calm.
-Sister: Calm before the storm.
Maybe it's Nibiru.
(Discussion in Spanish)
Other things to ask or say or express?
-Elisa: When we [...] with a pain that we cannot see, that is when the soul dissociates.
In what, in the ...
-Sister: The pains that the soul does not want to see, is that when there is dissociation?
At the moment of...
-Sister: Is not wanting to see the soul that presents itself, is that what creates dissociation?
What are we talking about?
-Sister: You mean ...
When the soul is seized, yes, it dissociates itself from the body. This is called soul seizure, which occurs in violent shocks, the loss of a child, a car accident, a coma, which are the preliminary stages of near-death experiences.
This is the brain no longer functioning.
-Elisa: And this soul, she said, nothing happens. It was foreseen. I had the impression that the time had come.
It was written.
-Élisa: It was already written. And that now, it's as if it was telling me, it's over, it's over, now it's over, go easy, it's over, it's over, it wasn't telling me that, but...
You know when I say it's all written down, it's really not a crazy concept or idea, it's the strict truth.
We have all written our screenplays, and it is precisely in the most intolerable, unacceptable things that happen to you in life, as to everyone else, that you are most likely to live the Truth.
This is the whole principle of the clash of humanity that Sri Aurobindo described, individually and collectively. It is the grasp of the soul as you say, there is something that freezes you.
-Elisa: You have to recognize yourself, you recognize it afterwards.
Yes, of course, because you see yourself outside the body, you see that you are not yourself.
-Elisa: Yes, but you recognize the event that it is.
It is written. But that doesn't mean that you don't have to grieve afterwards as a human being.
-Elisa: But who grieves is the character.
Ah yes, it's mourning at the level of the character.
Don't forget that the body of suffering, the physical body and the etheric body, the astral body and the mental body, are the body of suffering. To be subjected to these emotions is a proof of total immaturity, there is no need to fight against the emotions, there is a need to go through them.
So, what do all those who work with energies tell us? "Come on, empty your emotions. "You can't empty them. You can just take them on, that's all. And the more you take them on, the more you accept them, the less they're going to be attached to you.
It's like with thoughts, when you see the thought forms in the mental aura, you can see the thoughts that come from outside that come and stick to the aura, and the more a thought is present, it's something that doesn't leave your mind.
-Elisa: Something that?
That doesn't leave you, there you are thinking about the same thing over and over again. Repetitive thoughts, well observe them, don't accept them but above all don't refuse them, as I said at the time, welcome, the demons, the senses, all that because that's what I called the reabsorption of the essences.
So it is not a question of opposing the mind, of opposing the emotions, it is natural, but simply welcoming them, observing them, letting them be. And you will see, we have all noticed that if we hold on to an emotion because we want to understand it, it will become stronger.
Everything you oppose is reinforced by a neuroscientific law. I told you about the theory of complaint. When you press where it hurts, physically, energetically, emotionally and mentally, it hurts even more.
It's consciousness, it's not your character, it's consciousness, supreme fraud, that's doing this, and as long as you're identified with consciousness, you're in a concept, even if it's supra-consciousness, the supra-mental.
You see, it's a stage, it's a stage that had to be integrated, which began in August 1984 and ended in 2018. Today, as I said, you are slaves to nothing but your own beliefs and in particular to the idea of believing yourself to be an individual, a person who has some kind of history. History is about the person, not you.
The body of suffering is about the character, not what you are. It was necessary to go through the integration of the supra-mental, as Sri Aurobindo perfectly described it, who announced this period like Bidi did. When Nisargadatta said my words cannot fail, it was those who were present at the time, there were not many of them, who freed themselves. At the time, those who went to see him felt, of course, something gigantic, something vast, but they didn't understand.
There, a sentence that I liked very much, that Nisargadatta said one day to a listener who came to see him. It was a great Indian medium who came to see him and said, "I communicate and I channel a Friend", what's his name, Ramana Maharshi, and you have Bidi who said, "Yes, I see, he is there, he is there, Ramana Maharshi is there but leave it all behind, go beyond."
Today, I say the same thing to some people who ask me. When Bidi says, "Forget it", it means not to care, it doesn't mean to stop, it doesn't mean to repress, it means to cross over.
-Elisa: Remember that I have to translate for you.
Yes.
Today your character, where you are in your life, at the age you are, with everything that is happening in your human life, you have all the elements to solve yourself, that's the good news, it's up to you to experience it, it's up to you to prove it to yourself.
That is the Intelligence of the Light, that is the replacement after the dissolution of the primary anomaly, that was a first step the second to last, which was the replacement of the archontic matrix by the Christic matrix, which allowed many and by the Intelligence of the Light, rather than by the human intelligence, the mind.
That is what surrendering oneself to the Light is all about, living Life and not just one's life. As I was saying this morning, the more you will accept Life, the more you will let Life act even if you think it is aberrant, it is not serious. Make the attempt, try it out and very quickly you will understand, while living it, that the Christic matrix and the Intelligence of Light are at work in your life, and you will really experience that there is no longer a question as we used to say, there is no longer desire, there is no longer an impulse.
(Laughter in the room)
What did you say?
-Elisa: You go to the restaurant, leave it, one will be fine.
The more you realize that everything happens without you really, it's all to the character's benefit. You don't have to make any more effort, the notion of effort is banished from you. Everything is done by itself.
-Elisa : It's true, everything happens automatically.
Of course it does.
What should be will be, whatever you do to avoid it, and what shouldn't be will not be, whatever you do.
-Elisa: It's still hard not to control.
-Elisa: It's hard to leave this character because you want to guide it.
Yes, it is. But the advantage is that the connection is made. The supra-mental has penetrated into the DNA, into the cells. On the other hand, the Light of Freedom information is written in your DNA. It's the hard disk, the memory disk, it's where everything is written, even Freedom.
-Elisa: But the people now who are going crazy, what does that mean? Because there are photos of people who are going to go shopping completely naked, naked with that.
But you're going to get more and more of the real crazy ones.
-Élisa: But why ?
Because they've gone crazy on a mental level. For me, the visions I had in 1997, when I wasn't aware of all that, ...
-Elisa: Wait slowly.
But it's going to get worse and worse, in 1997 I saw what the Nibiru Passage was doing, I didn't even know what it was, this dark red star that turns slowly on itself and gives off vapors, meteorites on all sides. So the physical description, you have it, described by the survivors of the Nibiru cataclysm, the last one in the manuscript I mentioned that you can find on the internet.
-Elisa: From Atlantis?
No, no, not from Atlantis, it was three thousand six hundred years ago, but I also saw what was going to happen there, what is happening now.
And so you see, you are going to see the men in black ...
-Elisa: But wait, three hundred thousand years ago it passed.
Not three hundred thousand years, it has already passed fifty thousand years ago, it passes every fifty thousand years, but it passes more than that, it passes every three thousand six hundred years but it depends where the land is at the moment of the passage, if it is opposite to it, nothing will happen or very little, the sea will open as before Moses, the last passage which has been interpreted by many, in particular by Anton Park.
There are two big passages, it's the moment when all the planets are aligned with the galactic center, it's now, and Nibiru is also aligned with that, but if there is no planetary alignment, and Nibiru/Earth with the sun, it will result in disasters, but minor ones.
-Elisa: Because I never understood that, so I'm going to digest it. So three hundred thousand years ago, these are great passages.
It's not Nibiru, it's the Archons, you confuse Nibiru with the ship of the Archons.
-Elisa: Yes, but then.
They are called the same, Neb-Heru.
-Elisa: But then, yes, but then, I don't understand anything anymore.
That's the problem, Nibiru was chased away, finally Nibiru the ship of the Archons, Neb-Heru, that's the real name.
-Elisa: Now who are we talking about.
The ship of the Anunnakis, it was driven out of the solar system.
-Elisa: What is its name?
Neb-Heru.
-Elisa: That's the bad guys?
That is the ship of the Anunnaki. But don't confuse Neb-Heru, the huge Archontic scrap ship that passes before or after Nibiru, to close off space-time.
But the great destroyer, as it is called, Marduk, is the great liberator, and as was explained by Father, every fifty thousand years, there are the Archons who closed.
-Elisa: But he passes every ... then, ah then, that is, Nibiru he passes every fifty thousand years.
No, the ship of the Archons. Nibiru passes every three thousand six hundred years, but with astronomical aspects that have nothing to do with it, it has to be aligned with the galactic center.
-Elisa: I don't understand anything, I don't understand anything.
-Sister: If you want, it is as if there is a Nibiru planet, but it has ships, it can move in space-time, it can ...
-Elisa: Now I don't understand anything.
But it's the astronomical and astrological aspects.
-Sister: Yes.
We know very well that when there is an opposition, it is not like when there is a trigon, a trigon is positive, a semi-square, a square, an opposition, it is catastrophic.
-Elisa: But there is the ship of the Archons and there is the other ship.
And there is the whole solar system because it's not just one planet, there are lots of dead stars orbiting around it.
Yes of course, there's Nemesis, there's blue Kashinath, red Kashinath.
-Elisa: A solar system that is coming.
Yes, it is already in our solar system. Complete, there are nine satellites, Nibiru.
-Elisa: It's a sun then.
A black sun, it's the companion of our star.
-Elisa: Wait now, I'm beginning to understand.
Most systems, most solar systems are dual, we know that in astronomy. There are two suns or even three.
-Elisa: Where is it, so it has separated?
Yes, it has been separated, but it passes each time but it has been separated by the confinement of space and time.
-Elisa: So before he was here, he was not separated.
Before what?
-Elisa: Well, before the confinement.
Even before creation. It is the ship of the Archons which is also called Neb-Heru, Neb-Heru ship of the Anunnakis...
-Elisa: What does this one have to do with it?
But it is he who closed the space-time.
-Elisa: This one comes every 3,600 years.
No, it comes every 50,000 years.
-Elisa: The Anunnaki come every 50,000 years.
Yes.
-Sister: With their ship, they move around...
-Élisa: Is that a complete cycle?
It is the cycle of the Anunnaki vessel, but it arrived in 2010 to complete the creation in 2012. That's why the elites had planned to bury themselves underground and everything, with underground bases.
But the Nibiru we are talking about now is the entire solar system that has returned.
-Elisa : How many times does this one go by?
Every 3600 years, but it does not pass between the Earth and the sun. The planets, they turn. If the Earth is there and Nibiru is there, nothing will happen.
-Elisa: It is now.
It is now, all the planets in the solar system are on the same side. You see Saturn, Jupiter which are in conjunction in the sky there, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto are on the same side, and there, it's mechanical, it's not energetic, there will be huge electro-gravitational forces, it's right now.
-Elisa: It's right now.
It's not in ten years, it's not in six months.
(Laughter in the room)
It's happening right now, look at the number of volcanoes that are erupting.
Yes.
-Elisa: So now it's going to be possible the alignment.
There's the alignment.
-Elisa: So when there's ...
But even the official newspapers tell you, they tell you that we are aligned with the galactic center Sagitarius A
-Sister: I understand that's what I'm saying, it's that before we were locked up, so it's the alignment that allows that even if it's locked up, even if it passes.
It destroys everything.
-Sister: Yes, that's it.
Except that there won't be any more cycles.
-Sister: It can do the merge.
The curvature of the space-time linked to the Archontic vessel will never be able to happen again.
-Sister: Okay.
-Elisa: So what he comes to do this one, he comes to destroy everything.
Well yes, it's called the great destroyer, read Kolbrin's manuscript, you'll understand and at the time, there were survivors, but now there will be zero survivor in the dream, zero.
-Elisa: But when was the last time?
There is a great cycle of fifty thousand years, it is the complete zodiacal wheel.
-Élisa : I don't understand it well because that's what I'm explaining wrongly, in fact.
But yes. The zodiacal wheel...
(Discussion in the room)
Our solar system moves, not in a circle but in a spiral like all the planets, and of course it passes again through precise places of the cosmos, it is called the precession of the equinoxes, so this complete cycle is the zodiacal turn which lasts 50.000 years and a few years. There is a half cycle that is less serious, which is every 25,000 years. The vessel of the Archons only passes every 50,000 years. But Nibiru and its solar system, no, it passes every 3600 years. The last passage was Moses, then 1400 B.C., we are in the year 2000; it is, we are, it is the dates.
The destruction of Atlantis, there is not only one Atlantis, there were three. The first one was created at the end of the first cycle, at the end of the last cycle of 50,000 years, it was on May 7, 50731 B.C., where there was the Council of Alta, where the Elohims, the twelve Elohims to avoid the eternity of the dream, the dream, came to bring their conscience, that we call the Elohims, they came from Vega, Altair and Betelgeuse, they were twelve.
They accepted the sacrifice of their eternity and to accompany this cycle to the end by reincarnating continuously. It took place therefore in Teotihuacán in Mexico, and besides Edgar Cayce speaks about it, the medium, it was the creation of Atlantis. There were already people living on earth, the cycle, there were survivors, so they came down in what is called Yerushalayim, the heavenly Jerusalem, the vessel of Light that is described in the Apocalypse of St. John with the gates, with the twelve gates, each with a stone ...
-Elisa: Wait.
... and descending the dimensional planes, the celestial Jerusalem which is in fact Metatron, the crystal vessel, the cube that we see around the sun, the Elohim descended on this Council of Alta where there was an amphitheater where there were the equivalent of five hundred thousand people, no more, who were the survivors of the cataclysm. And to finish, and to avoid the perpetuity of the dream, the Elohims simply turned the petals of the third chakra, Manipura, which was facing down, they turned it up, to make a form of individuality appear, which would necessarily lead to the chaos we are living through, so as not to live through other cycles.
Otherwise, we would have been constantly lost in the dream of consciousness. Then these Elohims, of course, who had taken on flesh because as you descend the dimensions, you take on this human form, without going through incarnation, it is a vibratory descent.
When these Elohims died as humans, they left all the memory of their passage in what has been called the crystal skulls, the original twelve crystal skulls, but they also hid in Argentina the famous blue crystal of Sirius that would allow, like a radio beacon that emits a signal, which allowed to guide the blue radiation of Sirius, to guide, to teleguide the radiation of the genetician mothers of Sirius to this crystal, which was a relay with respect to the crystalline nucleus of the earth because the Earth in the center, it is not fire, it is a crystal so they left in the same way as the Nephilim, 300.000 years ago.
000 years ago.
-Elisa: But this crystal, what does it do, but this blue crystal, is it inside the Earth?
Yes, in the heart of the Earth, it is the nucleus of the Earth, but the one I'm talking about is in Argentina. That's it, his mission is accomplished, he has relayed. But what happened three hundred thousand years ago? The Nephilim, they were giants, they were on Earth only to dream, to dream much more materially, they created villages of Nephilim on top of the mountains, in the Basque country, Brittany, Indonesia, Bali.
They perceived the arrival of t the Archons, the vessel of the Archons. They were, they were stone sculptors, they carved dreams of what they saw and do not expect to find beings of Light with clothes of Light, they were human shaped, they were giants of two meters, three meters, dressed in animal skins, but they knew who they were, they carved their dreams in stone and there are traces everywhere.
You have them in the Basque Country at Ordiap. We went recently to Peru to Aramu Muru, the door of time, and behind that door of time there were animals carved, eroded because it's old, 300,000 years old, but you can see them clearly, it's not imagination.
So the Nephilim, what did they do when the Archons, when they sensed the arrival of the Archons, the vessels, they carved stones of two meters in hexagonal shape, which they installed in a circle, which they call circles of fire, they are called, by the way, because there is one that is very well known in Mexico.
-Elisa: Wait, slowly, because I'm going to have a heart attack here, so wait.
It's recorded anyway.
What was the purpose of these stones? Because they knew that the Earth was going to be locked up, they couldn't do anything about it. They allowed every cycle, there were still six cycles of 50,000 years.
They allowed each cycle...
-Élisa: What did they allow?
They have allowed at the end of each cycle that the information of the Source, of the genetician mothers, creators of Life, was never cut off. Without that, the dream would have been endless and at each end of the cycle since they knew that the Archons were coming, at each passage of the destroyer of the dream, in fact, they re-enclosed the time that has been called confinement for 300,000 years.
-Elisa: Ah, but I thought that Nibiru passes every 3600 years, it passes, doesn't it?
But you are still confusing the vessel of the Archons and Nibiru, they are two different things.
-Elisa: Well yes, but you don't let me think about it.
-Sister: No, I was also confusing it.
But everyone else.
-Sister: But we always see it, there is a cycle of five plus five, so the number five, and we never arrived at the number six, which is the liberation of humanity. Every time we arrived, every time we passed the number seven, they arrived.
And there they went again for a turn.
-Sister: And then we got to six and everything was....
What is called the Samsara cycle
-Sister: We couldn't get to seven, that's the problem, it's all human.
Every cycle. So there were seven circles of fire, there are six left, there are six left, there is one that was sunk in the last Atlantis, in the Gulf of Mexico. There is even one that is still known in Mexico near Chihuahua in northern Mexico.
-Elisa: Wait, wait, let's talk now about the cycles. You had, you talked about the first cycles, it's that people don't think like me, slowly, and they don't understand because it's you, you have it, you have it in you, it's easy but the human brain, it requires a process and this procedure, I generate it and then I can transmit it, and there I didn't generate it. So in fact the cycles, we were in, you were making them, you have already made them, but we were at the first one, what was the point?
All the seven circles of fire were used to channel, they were radio beacons, a waveform that made it possible to direct the Light that came from the galactic center, so that this Light could revive the crystalline nucleus of the Earth. Besides you look in English ''Ring of fire of olders'', circle of fire of olders in English on Google, it exists, it is known, it is north of Chihuahua in Mexico, it is intact in the desert.
-Elisa: Oh yes, we saw some pictures not long ago.
... And around these circles of fire, there is where they lived, their villages, with the carved stones.
In the Basque Country, we found the amphitheaters, we found the carved animals, exactly the same, except that over there, it was more of a puma than a sheep, in the Basque Country, he was already drawing sheep, but in Amaru Muru, next to Lake Titicaca, that's right, there is no circle of fire, it was a village without a circle of fire, but there was a temporal door, the door of time, we called it.
There is the same thing in Bolivia, in Tiahuanaco, but there is no circle of fire, the circles of fire there is one that is under water, there is one that is in Mexico, I just told you, that one is known, it is the Indians who live there, the Indians of Mexico in the desert above, of Sonara, of Chihuahua.
You have one in Bali, on the island of Bali, you know very well that the people who go, many people who go to Bali because, especially the creators, because there they have lots of images, they have lots of dreams, they have lots of visions. A lot of fashion designers, perfume designers, artists go there, it's a door of time.
You have two of them in France, at the time, it wasn't France, one is at Ordiap in the Basque Country and the other is not very far from the Monts d'Arrée in Brittany. And you go there, you will see the stones.
So at the time I never wanted, even the police, the biggest question they had was that I would tell them where it was. Now I can say it now, because the circles of fire are no longer useful. They are going to drain the Light to the core, but since there is no more Neb-Heru, we don't care, since there is no more Archontic vessel, we don't care.
And I point out that on the Spanish side of the Basque country in Roncesvalles (Roncesvalles), there are excavations that have been going on for fifteen years with objects carved in stone, officially, with carbon 14 dating dating back 320,000 years. These are the Nephilim, so there are others, but I forgot where they are. Anyway, it doesn't matter the, one, two, three, four, five, I'm missing some.
-Elisa: The one that was destroyed.
The one who was destroyed, I talked about it, the others I don't remember where they are. But those are the ones I know because I lived there, so I remember that too. So, if you want, next to some of the villages of the Nephilim, you have these circles of fire, but Amaru Muru, Tiahuanaco, these are the villages of the Nephilim.
You know, these carved stones that are adjusted to a tenth of a millimeter, they didn't have tools to carve the stones, they materialized the shapes, they took a rough block, and their dream was projected into this shape, and it was transformed into what they wanted.
It's a beautiful story, well, it's just a story.
-Sister: But me, these Nephilim, they came from their own thinking, they came from their own creation.
Yes, of course they are.
Don't forget that every geneticians mothers, every creative entity on the densest levels, is obliged to go through the condition they have created, that is to say, to become human, and to go to the end of the cycle.
Let's stop there since it's half past two o'clock, it's a fascinating story, but it's a story. Simply, I will end with this. This is not about prophecies, I am not a prophet. But look at the positions of the planets.
Look at what they reveal in all the astronomy journals, they prepare you. They told you that there was a black hole in the galactic center, there was a black hole in the Milky Way, there is the new planet coming, the only thing they had hidden is that this time it was accompanied by dead stars. What are these dead stars going to play at? Pac-Man, they're going to eat everything, Pac-Man, you know the game.
Pac-Man, the video game, the very first video game, that's a scientific reality that they don't want you to know. So they are ready for war, with what they are doing with their masks, the parody, the virus, the vaccines, so that you don't have to watch what is happening in the sky for a reason that is very simple, terribly simple, when the herd knows that it is going to die, because we are a herd for them, cattle, at the collective level, it is going to be total chaos.
And they didn't want, at least in the West, they certainly didn't want us to be informed of this, but the information is starting to come through now. Why do you think that last year before the cocovid epidemic, I called it cocovid me.
(Laughter)
Why do you think we saw it bloom, so you want to find the manipulation? It's very simple, I'll do the aside, you go on Google news of your country and you type a keyword, you'll see, words appear overnight, from which you don't know where.
For example, a year ago they talked about the extinction level event, total extinction of life, they started to talk about survivalism, now they talk openly about the next world and even the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, until this year, they were talking about a big reset, end of the liquid, Gesara, Nesara and vaccine in return, and now they are talking about a big transition.
It's very clear. It's not me saying it, it's them saying it. Type "big transition" in Spanish on Google news and you'll see. It's predictive programming about what's going to happen.
-Sister: And did you notice that right next to it, on the street, right there towards your house, there's a covided sign, that means covid eaten, covid and ed, right next to it.
So they, their objective with the return of the Anunnakis, who will not return, was to manage the chaos and they, when the time came, to go and bury themselves deep in the earth. They forgot only one thing: one, the Archons' ship will not return and that, two especially, the alignment Nibiru, Sun and planets of the solar system is this time with the galactic center, Sagitarius A. Look at Sagitarius A on the internet, where there is a black hole, this is called the galactic flash, the gamma ray.
What happens when the gamma radiation comes, you say, "Oh, the beautiful white one." Yes, but you, you disappear into white too. The body is literally consumed physically. This is not science fiction, this is exactly what is going to happen, which they have been hiding since 1984, at the beginning of the descent of the Holy Spirit. That's the same year Carrington talked about Nibiru.
(Laughter)
It is the same year 1984 when the astrophysicist Carrington already evoked the presence of Nibiru at the approach of our solar system. He was assassinated afterwards.
(Laughter)
If we keep talking about the story, I'm here to stay until tonight.
-Elisa: Barbecue today.
Yes, it is! Then we stop there. Satsang, we'll start again when we're done eating. That's it, we finished late, around five o'clock with OMA. If you have any questions for OMA, we have some in French, write them down.
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By Jean Luc Ayoun
Les Transformations
Transcription from French: https://www.facebook.com/Transcriptionsfr
English revised translation: LMF - DeepL translator
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